How has it taken YouTube this long, anyway? Hasn’t much of this stuff been openly known for a decade or more? Is YouTube literally just reacting to the media cycle and nothing more?
yeah it's odd, if they do it for brand does that mean they'll now do it for all? of course not and they haven't, this feels unusual for them, so why target brand specifically?
this is going to make his conspiracy's seem true like they are targeting him
but it could be as simple as advertisers don't care about aerosmith because it's bigger than steven tyler, whereas brand is purely a youtube based opinion show and he is the main star of the show
Soon, hopefully. But I don't understand how you think Aerosmith is significant, or somehow countervails Brand. The people who care about Brand's sex pestery tend not to give a shit about Aerosmith. There are always going to be victimizers who haven't been called out, or who haven't yet been dealt with, in every field of endeavor; Robert Kelly is a good example.
It's not as if people who care about sexual assault are somehow lined up in Steven Tyler's corner. Quite the opposite.
I’m not carrying water for Brand-I think all of these Gen X entertainment industry guys are suspect. I’m just trying to figure out how the process works. Why Brand and not Aerosmith (or both) and why don’t the same people care?
R. Kelly was accused innumerable times over the course of over 20 years. I'm sure the truth is going to catch up to Tyler, who bragged about what he did in his memoir.
Same here, but tbh the accusations against Brand are quite moot.
Regardless of that, why is YouTube to decide and not a court of law?
Of course a private platform can do whatever they want, but when their decision is basically the same as a court issuing fine or damages in the way it affects a person’s livelihood, shouldn’t their decisions be regulated accordingly?
Remind me when right-wing trucking businesses refused to transport Budweiser beer because of their marketing? Or are they refusing to deliver products to Target?
The message there was "do not dare to hire trans people for even minor ads" and result is companies being more afraid to hire trans. So yeah, it was literal ce sorship. And yeah, impact on that trans woman was worst then one on Brand. That trans person was not as rich as to eat any amount of financial looses.
I remember right wing leaders going really out of their way to demonize Budweiser for literally having a single video with trans person and like a can of her face. So yeah. And yes, right wing businesses refused to sell the beer and there was actual boycot.
If that is ok to do because trans person was acknowledged, then yeah, youtube demonetization is equally ok.
If Lululemon tried to market tradwife conservatism to young urban women and it backfired, would you call that censorship? Marketing is about feels and vibes and image—customers are entitled to react to that. Beer, athletic wear, etc., are image and identity-based businesses. That’s different than a trucking company, or a credit card company, or YouTube.
A better example would be the Dixie Chicks boycott after the Bush comments, where major radio stations refused to play their music.
What “right wing media machine?” Obviously, conservative media is going to serve as an outlet for whatever is currently riling up conservatives. The politics is central to their business. That’s different than YouTube, which in theory is a politically neutral platform.
(And note that the boycott here wasn’t even stirred up by Fox or Sinclair. Fox did a Bud Light product placement right before July 4.)
It was not conservative media serving as an outlet for whatever is currently riling up conservatives. It was few conservative personalities creating issue, riling up conservatives and generally trying to create outrage and fear.
That is about it. So, you know, the same people can stuff themselves with complains about YouTube. YouTube is at least honest and not pretending that somehow situation is something it is not.
Explain to me how a MegaCorp using its platform for an unrelated political agenda is in any way similar to individual personalities trying to gin up outrage about something?
A lot of the Bud Light outrage wasn't just Mulvaney - their marketing exec openly said they didn't want those people as customers, so they complied.
There's the difference: People didn't want to buy Bud Light anymore, so their sales tanked.
One feature of cancellation is that the cancellee usually has people who want to hear the cancellee and buy their stuff, but activists try to get them kicked off intermediaries so the cancellee and their customers can't conduct business.
If it was just about making the person unpopular, that'd be an entirely different matter.
Nah, this was just yet another case of right wing media machine trying to pretend they do something else then just normal censorship. Which would be fine if they did not turned around with sophistries when, suddenly, they are not the only ones doing it for a change.
Random people did not reacted to the ad, they reacted to the massive campaign. Which is exactly how the message is understood - trans people have no place in public, anywhere.
How has it taken YouTube this long, anyway? Hasn’t much of this stuff been openly known for a decade or more? Is YouTube literally just reacting to the media cycle and nothing more?