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Thank you for the comments. I'll keep my fingers crossed that this plays out well.

> plus you can always just embed an Element Call instance

That sounds like potentially a commercial embrace&extend&extinguish situation, which we need to avoid.



Yup, good call point, which is why we deliberately implemented two different independent group VoIP implementations - the one in Element Call (based on matrix-js-sdk) and the one in Hydrogen (based on hydrogen-web-sdk).

Admittedly the new livekit-based implementation takes us back down to a single implementation for now, but in its defense it’s only a few weeks old (with e2ee). Hopefully others will spin up independent implementations rapidly - although right now it does introduce a potential commercial EEE situation… but from on LiveKit rather than Element.

Eitherway, it’s something we’re painfully aware of… while also trying to ensure we find enough $ to pay for dev on Matrix (and Element) otherwise the whole thing collapses.




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