The article says "it has happened" and cites a footnote mentioning the Galileo antenna deployment. I was part of the team that built the Galileo Jupiter Atmospheric Probe and followed most aspects of the whole mission closely, but I have never before heard of this being the cause of the antenna deployment problem. I just read the cited paper (from 1994) and it does seem to be conclusive. If websites like HN had been operating in 1994, this news probably would have reached me almost three decades ago.
Not part of NASA -- I worked for Hughes Aircraft Space & Communications Group, on contract with JPL to produce the probe. The contract was awarded to Hughes because of their previous work on the Venus probes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Venus_Multiprobe#Space...
Those probes were created and launched a few years before I joined the company. I was a new employee when Hughes was producing the Galileo probe and my role was minor.
I spent 35 years with the company -- the last half with Boeing, who acquired it from GM around the year 2001. For the most part, it was my dream job and I really enjoyed working with the best and brightest people.
Very very cool. Did working at your dream job involve explorations + leaps of faith + backing yourself, or did you just organically get there with hard work and always choosing what you were excited about? This leaks into career advice land but I struggle with even defining a dream job let alone being in one, though I certainly find certain problem spaces a LOT cooler (but more risky) than others. Eg. self driving cars, robotics.
My career consisted of two separate paths. I had 'day jobs', and the Hughes job was my fourth technical job, and orders of magnitude better than any of the previous ones. Separately, I've also maintained a consulting gig, which did involve explorations/leaps of faith/backing myself. The hardest part of it all was trying to find balance between work and family. I always felt like I was failing them both.
There's enough detail in my prior comments for people who know me to figure out that it's me. Also, any government who wanted to could probably figure it out too. I've never thought about it, but I suppose some might think that I'm somehow associated with "Anonymous" (the hacker group), but I'm not.
> "Some of them are visibly fused. Some idiot must have welded them.”
> “Welded, yes. But not by some idiot. By the sun.”
> “Leo, it doesn’t get that hot—”
> “Not directly. What you’re seeing is spontaneous vacuum diffusion welding. Metal molecules are evaporating off the surfaces of the pieces in the vacuum. Slowly, to be sure, but it’s a measurable phenomenon. On the clamped areas they migrate into their neighboring surfaces and eventually achieve quite a nice bond. A little faster for the hot pieces on the sun side, a little slower for the cold pieces in the shade—but I’ll bet some of those clamps have been in place for twenty years.”
You know, I’m a hyper voracious reader of sci fi and I’ve never read any Bujold.
I’m down to correct that strange oversight, do you recommend that novel as a decent starting point? If that quote is representative it seems right up my street!
Lois McMaster Bujold is one of those authors that never got as popular as they deserved. She does have a niche following, though. The Vorkosigan saga is very solid space opera with, unusually for SF, innovative and sensitive character work.
The question isn't quite as hard as with Terry Pratchett novels (yes, I do place Bujold in that tier) and I think the major choices boil down to:
1. Cordelias' Honor: Unusually, this is not about the character who will star in the next umpteen novels, but it does a lot of world-building and introduces some important characters who will be pervasive supporting cast later. (It's an omnibus that merges what was originally published separately: Shards of Honor, Aftermath, Barrayar.)
2. The Warrior's Apprentice: The first of the books focusing on the main protagonist of the rest of the series, however if you value knowing the world-building, backstories, and references to earlier books, then this would be a weaker start.
3. Falling Free: A stand-alone novel 200 years earlier in the main universe, which can be good or bad depending on your appetite.
Honorable mention: The Curse of Chalion if you prefer fantasy. [0]
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[0] There's also The Sharing Knife series which is... I dunno, fantasy of the hinted-post-apocalyptic variety? Somehow I was never drawn into those, in my dim memory they were disappointing.*
Falling Free is a great place to start, as it has a stand-alone plot and introduces the setting very well. If you like it then I'd also recommend the Vorkosigan saga.
That quote is a bit outlier in my opinion. She doesn't do all that much technolecture like that.
The series is pretty full of sci-fi ideas and real application of them and exploration of their consequences though. I don't mean to imply it's sf in name only but really fantasy with search & replace.
It's a bit hard to pick a single first book to suggest, because while most of the series centers around a particular character Miles Vorkosigan, the first book I would suggest takes place a bit earlier and centers around his parents.
And then yet another difficulty is that book is a sequel to another, and it's hard to recommend not reading those two in order, even if I think the 2nd is the real heart and soul and spirtitual kicking-off point of the whole thing. And this is already including the fact that I'm already not being a slave to chronology, already skipping over some other prequels that really don't need to be read in order at all. They are hundreds of years earlier and do not need to be read in any particular order. It's just these two where, the real choice gem and spritual kicking-off-point of the whole thing in my opinion happens to be a close sequel to another that, IF you read the 2nd and liked it, then it it hurts the 1st a little to have to then read that after.
So I want to say Barrayar, but it is such a close sequel to Shards of Honor, that it should really be Shards of Honor. And really, it's not like Shards is weak. It's great. Very in-line with the rest in tone and quality. It is pretty much as good as any other as a litmus test for if you will like the rest.
The progression goes like, Shards is great and is I think a good place to start reading the whole thing, but Barrayar that comes next is even better, and BOTH of those still aren't even centered around Miles yet, who is the center of most of the rest. So it starts off great, gets better, and then better again, and yet I don't really think it would be great to start with one of the Miles books, even if you are testing to see if you maybe don't even care for the style or the series in general. Test a whole series without spending any time with that series main character???? Yeah. Well that's why I say a bit hard to pick a suggestion ;)
I guess I can say it this way: It's definitely safe that if you did like Shards that you then somehow won't like all the Miles books. The trasition to to following Miles around won't be like "Wtf is this crap? My good series went bad!" And it's pretty safe that if you did not like Shards, that the others aren't different enough that you would love them and miss out by a false negative impression from Shards.
> It's definitely safe that if you did like Shards that you then somehow won't like all the Miles books.
From context, I think some word-logic got reversed during the text-editing process here. I assume you meant: "It's safe to say that if you liked Shards the other books won't disappoint."
IMO the decision to skip to The Warrior's Apprentice should really hinge on how much you care about (A) knowing world-building and backstory and (B) getting references/jokes to the earlier novels.
Hey thanks for this thoughtful reply. I tend to be a completist so I will start with shards.
I think Cordelia’s Honour as mentioned above seems a decent omnibus?
It was fascinating reading your thought process and I love to answer questions this way especially about literature but I have to mask my adhd and never know when I am being too much so I err on the side of brevity, so I really enjoyed reading you formulate your opinion!
I worked with vacuum systems in grad school and this sometimes happened if we scraped one metal part a bit too hard on another when positioning a sample inside a characterization chamber. Cue having to vent the system to extricate the sample manually, followed by at least a couple of days of effort to get the chamber back to ultra high vacuum, such as wrapping the chamber with heating pads to force adsorbed water to leave quicker.
I know it's not trivial but do organisation working with vacuum chambers ever set it up so that the atmosphere inside a pressure vessel is kept full of dehydrated oxygen/nitrogen air at positive pressure during maintenance activities?
I know they make sure that all the workers suit up to prevent oil from skin ruining any chance at a high vacuum.
Sure, it's very common to flush a system with dry nitrogen for that reason. But of course if you have to fully open a part of the system you're usually out of luck (also you usually don't have valves at every intersection etc., so some part may still be exposed to the atmosphere even if part is "kept dry").
> [...] However, unexpectedly, cracks were also observed to heal by a process that can be described as crack flank cold welding induced by a combination of local stress state and grain boundary migration. The premise that fatigue cracks can autonomously heal in metals through local interaction with microstructural features challenges the most fundamental theories on how engineers design and evaluate fatigue life in structural materials. We discuss the implications for fatigue in a variety of service environments.
> Cold weld is a common – although incorrect – term used to describe the process of using filled epoxy glue to repair broken metal machinery components. The product is a combination of a plastic resin compound and finely powdered steel. A catalyst, or hardener, is added to this mixture to cause a chemical reaction, which hardens the putty into a solid mass
By the massive free volume between them. Even if you clamp the two metals together tightly, unless the surfaces are atomically smooth you'll get void spaces that are large kinetic barriers.
Even if you are dealing with atomically smooth surfaces, you'll get a grain boundary which is still a kinetic barrier, and a large grain boundary too.
That being said, your friend's point is still fundamentally valid - why wouldn't an atom on occasion cross the boundary and switch sides?
And yet, vacuum-welding is a long known actual thing, and even without vacuum right in ordinary human environment, by good, non-trivial, but not magical surface prep. But it's probably more than just proximity. In vacuum there is probably also evaporation and a form of electrolosis.
Optically flat isn't even needed per se. You can weld metals by slipping two blocks a bit under pressure side by side just like that in standard atmosphere, and when there's some sort of low-pressure environment it just takes that much less of a slip. No need to go down to space-grade vacuum at all.
That is similar to how Feynman explained it in his Lectures:
“The reason for this unexpected behavior is that when the atoms in contact are all of the same kind, there is no way for the atoms to ‘know’ that they are in different pieces of copper. When there are other atoms, in the oxides and greases and more complicated thin surface layers of contaminants in between, the atoms ‘know’ when they are not on the same part.”
I have often wondered if you could chop a nickle-iron asteroid into 1 meter cubes whether you could construct a space-station Minecraft style. I would probably have some tapered+oxidized surfaces so you could align things nicely before the fusing happens, but it sounds like a fun way to make huge structures.
Chopping up the asteroid left as an exercise for the reader.
Well if you look at the accuracy and precision cutting and tessellation of some of the stone work the ancients did, starting with the Sumerians in the very first cities it would be fitting if our first cities in space were made by similar techniques but this time, with lasers!
Easy! Start by chopping the asteroid into tessellating hendecahedra, then use one of the faces of each solid as a reference surface to project a cube of known size.
ice cubes stick to other ice cubes, I would assume it's because of melting and refreezing but I can see one reason why cold welding might not happen: Ice is dihydrogen oxide, so that oxygen atom might be a problem for cold welding.
It's always interesting how living on Earth wraps our perception and makes it somewhat difficult to understand how things really are. Like Newton's First Law, which is in a way completely obvious, but not very intuitive in an environment where all seemingly "undisturbed" moving things eventually stop.
The real news is that metals don't fuse together on Earth.
I don't think either of those is an example of vacuum suction. Gauge blocks are thought to work in a small part by vacuum, but mainly by other means. Glassware sticks together because of thermal expansion/contraction, combined with being quite smooth and very hard and inflexible.
Not sure. Contact bonding can be strong enough to pull chunks out of one or the other of the glass pieces when you try to separate them. I've not personally seen this happen, only the results.
The molecules of a solid exert ~10x attractive force compared to molecules of a gas. In the Earths atmosphere every solid surface has a layer of gas molecules stuck to it, that prevents cold welding from happening.
Plasmas, and the states of matter, are more of a convenient categorical heuristic than actual things. We categorize matter as so, so we can conveniently convey information about a material's conditional properties, but any material can be a solid/liquid/gas/plasma under the right conditions...
But a solid is not a plasma, as by definition a plasma also has properties of a gas. So a solid metal is not a plasma even if they share some properties. In other words, a plasma is not a solid, and so "solid plasma" is a kind of an oxymoron.
To really drive the point... any metal can be in either the solid or plasma states, so thinking of them as "solid plasmas" isn't really correct.
"Solid chunk with electrons free to conduct through it" and "gaseous chunk with electrons free to conduct through it" are pretty similar. Sure it's technically an oxymoron but really rather close to accurate. Maybe pedants would be happier with "solidified plasma".
Not really... I mean, the issue starts with the equating of 'metal' to mean 'solid', let alone how 'solid' is a bit of an oxymoron for 'plasma'. Additionally, all materials are free to conduct electrons through it, in solid, liquid, or gaseous forms (the differences are just in the energy/distance thresholds in order to do so). So "Solid chunk with electrons free to conduct through it" doesn't quite grasp what metals actually are. I mean, you can have solid chunks of oxygen with electrons free to conduct through it, given the right conditions, and oxygen isn't a metal. But then again, this is entirely a matter of an arbitrary line we've chosen to categorize matter for convenience and communication purposes, and we call those conditions for elements like oxygen "metallic", so if it helps comprehend things then I don't see anything wrong with that.
They have similarities such as you mentioned but only at relatively low energies.
There are several sorts of plasmas. An ionized gas is a sort of plasma, also called thin plasma.
Thin plasmas, while physically different from a metal, share a surprisingly large number of properties with it:
They both have two separate charge carriers, cations and electrons.
On both, the cations have a negligible contribution to current and the electrons form a gas.
They have similar dispersion relations (leading to similar "local" Ohm's law in both).
It's because cations don't contribute much that they seem similar, in spite of one being a gas and the other a solid.
You may enjoy this physics stack overflow thread for an expanded answer:
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Cold welding is a concern that we have to account for during spacecraft assembly, sometimes you really really don't want two pieces of metal to weld themselves together after all.
To prevent it we wither ensure a reasonable gap (if possible). Which has serious impacts on heat transfer. Or use dissimilar materials to prevent it from happening.
In school, they used to teach us about the atomic structure of metals being an orderly lattice. Being an orderly lattice, if two pieces of metals were in contact with each other, there wouldn't be any indication of where one piece ended and where the other began. Is this why it fuses in space?
There are probably manufacturing benefits of vacuum welding for some niche use cases, but it's a thing that happens with vacuum, not microgravity. Because it's cheaper to build a volume under high vacuum here on Earth than it is to send equipment up to space, that means it can't be an economic reason to go to space. It's more that it's one of those "If you're already in space, this probably has uses" things, rather than a "This is going to return on the investment of going to space" thing like Avatar's unobtainium or Andy Weir's special fiber optics.
I could be wrong but usually melting and molding the metal is an easier way to get a specific shape on Earth. Don't see why you couldn't just do that if you wanted a combination of some shapes.
I'm wondering if there's an application as a self-destruction mechanism on a lock or something like that. There's still far easier methods.
If it fits perfectly. Unfortunately, the breaking probably deforms the two ends.
There's a process in optics called "optical contacting" where you take two super-flat surfaces, push them together, and they stick. This is used in some specialized components where there can be no gap or optical adhesive at the interface. The pieces really do stick together. With optics, you don't have to worry about the materials oxidizing at the surface.
Also if you break a rod in space, you'd better be holding on to both pieces. ;-)
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