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I’m glad to see this near the top of this post. The reality of what’s been happening to libraries in the shift to the digital age keeps getting ignored by everyone. For those of us who grew up only being able to afford reading books by borrowing from libraries, I’ve been dismayed to see so little discussion around this. Like other commenters have said, libraries wouldn’t exist if they were to be proposed today and I think that points to a fundamental problem with legislation.


Libraries aren’t helping themselves. They’re trying to rebrand as community centers, hang outs for kids, and homeless services outlets.

All that’s fine and good, but isn’t going to help them negotiate with publishers, or get better copyright legislation.

I also think liberties have been branding themselves as politically progressive for a long time - since long before the digital age.

This has left them with few friends, as progressivism returns to its roots as an upper middle-class ideology.


Libraries are government funded. If they don't provide services that people want they're a drain on the city budget.


"libraries wouldn’t exist if they were to be proposed today"

This is so sad. I spend so much time growing up in libraries. Been locked up there accidentally more than once.


What a library is today is so different. I'm not sure I would leave my kids alone in one like my parents used to. There was always the homeless element, but now there's rampant drug use in and around, anti-social behaviour is ignored or tolerated and it's not really about the books (digital or paper) but the free internet to troll your social media. Libraries used to be accessible jewels of knowledge, now they're generic community spaces.


I'm sorry to hear your library is like that. Mine isn't, and I don't think this generalization is fair.


Maybe in your area. Certainly not in my area.


The last time I was in the Seattle Downtown library, there was a gentleman shaving and taking a "shower" in the sink of the shared public restroom.

I'm of the mind there should be a place he could do that safely and easily, but that place shouldn't be the library.


Unfortunately, I don't believe there are many such places. If one is living in their tent, car, or similar situation, there are very few places where one is even allowed to exist peacefully without spending a few dollars, let alone take care of one's hygiene.

Libraries are one of the precious few places where one is not charged on entry or otherwise expected to buy something. Even public parks are increasingly hostile to the homeless, but often no real alternatives are offered. And I think that's a shame.


"should be" and "are" are often very different things.


Uh, yeah


Downtown Seattle does not exactly resemble 99% of other places in the country.


Better a library than nowhere if it will help him find a job and escape homelessness.


There should be. Libraries have taken on that role because no one else will.


My city started a program to train librarians to administer narcan and the city distributes narcan to libraries [0]. I can't imagine Chicago is has a larger homeless population than most other cities (as it's very affordable here).

[0] https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/cdph/provdrs/health_pr...


During the energy crisis libraries were places that old people could go to for heat.

Libraries are also used as a free Starbucks to work in.


This isn't generally true, I am in the Boston area and only the Main branch is anything like this, all the tens of other libraries are safe places where a kid would be fine for hours.


yup i remember using the sound proof booths they had for patrons at my library and not hearing the announcement that the library had closed got locked in and only noticed when they librarians started turning off the lights to leave.


It's very telling of the cultural shifts that have occurred over the past century.


An unfortunate consequence of internet piracy is that noncommercial activity has been pushed out of mainstream policy. The library was way more crucial when I couldn't just illegally pirate a book on the internet. In turn I was way more willing to fight for it.


> mainstream policy [is...] an unfortunate consequence of internet piracy

no, this is obscene degrees of victim-blaming here. the modern copyright regime predates the internet being a major commercial vector for anything by literally decades. the DAT tape wars were 80s, the VHS/Betamax time-shifting wars were 70s. taping off the radio was 60s.

obviously as the noose tightens, more and more activity becomes "criminal", so the "criminal activity" stats probably do go up over time, but that doesn't inherently reflect some change in social mores as much as the legal framework changing out from underneath it. and that was not initiated by anything to do with the internet - this really dates back to the "taping off the radio" days and the blowback from studios who didn't like that, and retrenched in the 80s and particularly the 90s.


> the VHS/Betamax time-shifting wars were 70s

Are you talking about legal challenges?

For popularity VHS was the 80's I think: "JVC released the first VHS machines in Japan in late 1976, and in the United States in mid-1977." and took a few years to take off widely.

Interestingly enough, VHS was developed in secret at JVC: "However, despite the lack of funding, Takano and Shiraishi continued to work on the project in secret. By 1973, the two engineers had produced a functional prototype.". The development of blue LEDs has a better story. Does Japanese culture encourage secrative development?


In the US, Sony was sued in 1976 and the issue was decided in 1984:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Unive....

Remarkably, Fred Rogers (Mister Rogers' Neighborhood) supported the VCR (for time shifting) and the Supreme Court took that into account.


> libraries wouldn’t exist if they were to be proposed today

And it would be more or less irrelevant that they didn't, because the massive amount of information made voluntarily available for free on the internet vastly outweighs the initial few centuries of libraries' existence by several orders of magnitude.




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