Whether convoy supporters think I'm right or not doesn't particularly matter to me. You all have an internet connection, look it up. It's not hard to find.
I'll admit that article was quite long so I skimmed it and as such I might have missed something. The only thing I saw that even alluded to racism was saying one of the early people involved with the movement may have been racist.
If that is all you have then that is extremely weak. Plenty of movements don't have the best people in them...
I read through the entire article. Nowhere does it allege that the protestors sought to overthrow the government. If it did, Richard would have actually quoted.
> The article linked was in reference to their weak ass attempt to overthrow the government.
Can you quote directly from the article where it says anything close to that the protestors wanted to "overthrow the government"? I'm hesitant to call you a liar before giving you a chance to explain your point of view, but nothing I read in that link comes close to substantiating your claims.
Sorry, I forgot which thing you were complaining about since your article is terrible at trying to prove their was an attempt to overthrow the government. If anything about this is a "weak ass attempt" it is your article.
The closet thing I could find is:
> Others adopted more extreme positions. Some denounced what they defined as the authoritarian, treasonous, and corrupt governing practices of prime minister Justin Trudeau and requested the dissolution of the government
In parliamentary systems that does not mean abolishing the government or state or something like that. It means they want Trudeau to step down and they want new elections or at least a new coalition which results in a new prime minister.
Using the word dissolve and form and the like when it comes to parliamentary systems has nothing to do with overthrowing the government.
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In terms of the flag, many people on HN supported occupy wall street. There were communist flags there. Does that mean everybody who supported the occupy movement wants to kill gay people like communists did? No, of course not.
Also, the other protestors weren't fans of the flag...
And when that happened, it was immediately taken down by the rest of the protesters. Just admit that you fell for the alarmist propaganda and move on with your life.
I fell for propaganda? Listen to yourself. You're standing by a group of people who associated with Nazis (there were more than one group with flags, and they were not immediately removed as you claim.). A group who made it clear they wanted the conservatives to take over.
Just because they sucked at communication, their demands changed minute by minute, doesn't mean that wasn't their intent. They absolutely tried to do this.
Stop being an apologist to a horrific group of people. They are so far from what represents this country and our democracy.
> (there were more than one group with flags, and they were not immediately removed as you claim.)
Prove it. What groups? Where were they? How many people were in these groups?
> Just because they sucked at communication, their demands changed minute by minute, doesn't mean that wasn't their intent. They absolutely tried to do this.
It sounds like you suck at communication since you cannot substantiate your claims that they wanted to overthrow the government, nor substantiate your claims that they were white nationalists, nor substantiate your claims that they wanted the conservatives to take power.
And even if "they wanted the conservatives to take power", that's ambiguous at best, and does not at all amount to "overthrowing the government". A democratic no-confidence vote could qualify as the conservatives taking over, but that doesn't qualify as overthrowing the democratically elected government. Broad protests that lead to a no-confidence vote is the definition of democracy in action.
So yes, you fell for alarmist propaganda from the media that had clear incentives to sensationalize what was happening. Which isn't to say the protest was legal or without problems, but the things you're saying about it simply aren't true.
Are you suggesting that if somebody flies a flag at a rally that means everybody in the rally supports the ideology of the flag? If I go to some politician that has your same ideology and fly a Nazi flag does that make you a Nazi or would it just be me who is the Nazi?
Can you elaborate on what you mean by, "their goal was to overthrow the democratically elected Government"? This could mean a whole lot of things, like voting out the incumbents in the next election - and sure I'll readily believe that the protestors were calling for that.
But "overthrow" reads to me like the protestors sought to forcefully remove and replace the existing government. In other words, a coup. That is a very different statement, and one I would really like you to substantiate with evidence if that's what you're trying to claim.
The protesters held Ottawa captive while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election.
It was very similar to the first few days of the Easter Uprising in Ireland in 1916, except with trucks. A large group of people held key infrastructure hostage, with unreasonable demands that would not be met.
Those claiming otherwise need everyone to believe their side is the victim.
> while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election
Do you have any evidence for this beyond simply postulating it as fact? I'd be really interested in seeing who in the convoy, and what proportion of people, were making these demands.
And no, it was not like the Easter Uprising. The Easter Uprising saw armed insurrectionists kill over a hundred government personnel and hundreds of civilians. This kind of comparison does not give me confidence in your analysis of the protest.
For the third time the central claim in your comments, that the Ottawa protestors sought to overthrow the government, remains completely unsubstantiated. Who said this, and on what basis is it a fair characterization of the >10,000 people who attended the protest?
One can take power through elections, it's a massive leap to go from "take power" to "overthrow". There are legitimate means of taking power.
And again, this is the fourth time that you've just postulated this as fact rather than linking to the protest leaders' actual statements. I have searched the internet for any such statements calling for a forceful overthrow of the Canadian government, and I have not found any. No, I don't know that was their goal, and nothing in my searches indicate that it was. If you're serious about convincing people that the protestors posed a legitimate threat to democracy, you need to do a lot better than making claims with no evidence and telling people do their own research.
I don't need to do anything. I remember it all vividly, and that's good enough for me. I know better than waste my time trying to change the minds of random strangers on the internet.
> The protesters held Ottawa captive while demanding the current democratically elected government be replaced by the government of their liking, without an election.
I asked for a citation. If this is literally what the protest organizers did, then it should be easy to provide one. Their official Facebook page where they published their official position is still up.
You know as much as I do that finding 2 yr old content is brutal. Especially given the volume of shitty media coverage the convoy received.
If you care enough about challenging your own beliefs, and if it's so easy, you'll do it yourself. I'm not going to waste my time and energy trying to convince random strangers on the internet. I know better.
I personally know two people who travelled from Toronto area to attend. I couldn’t because of a shitty situation but followed along with the live YouTube casts, which (for anyone who cares) will prove you wrong
I Know you are full of shit, therefore I know you know you are full of shit
My hobby is calling bullshit and it is fun. There’s so much of it!
Edit: for extra context, the two people who took major time out of their lives to do this, one was in the Canadian Forces when they were younger (not at the time obv) and the other came to Canada in the early 90s after their government wrecked their country and was watching in horror of it happening to them again
Why would you lie about this? It's literally not true. And no a quote from a random protestor doesn't make it more true. Again, this is basically Ben Shapiro style tactics where you can quote a single random person in a protest to call for violence and repression against an entire group. Super convenient when used against the other side but it doesn't make it less blatantly dishonest. Do you also advocate for full emergency act types of repression in may 1st anti capitalist protests? They explicitly call for destroying the current government system (which is completely their right, imo)
