Do us all a favour and never again keep assumptions in your head: your misunderstanding was beyond scale. Do not guess.
Back to the discussion from the origin: a poster defends the idea that the purpose of AI would be in enabling leisure and possibly sport (through alleviating menial tasks) - not in producing cultural output. He was replied first that cultural output having value, it is welcome from all sources (provided the Value is real), and second that the needs are beyond menial tasks, given that we have a large deficit in proper thought and proper judgement.
The literal sentence was «yes, if algorithms strict or loose could one day produce Art, and Thought, and Judgement, of Superior quality: very welcome», which refers to the future, so it cannot be interpreted in the possibility being available now.
You have brought LLMs to the topic when LLMs are irrelevant (and you have stated that you «personify[] them»!). LLMs have nothing to do with this branch of discussion.
You see things that are said as «vague», and miss definitions for things: but we have instead very clear ideas. We just do not bring the textual explosion of all those ideas in our posts.
Now: you have a world in front of you; of that world you create a mental model; the mental model can have a formal representation; details of that model can be insightful to the truthful prosecution of the model itself: that is Art or Thought or Judgement according to different qualities of said detail; the truthful prosecution of the model has Value and is Important - it has, if only given the cost of the consequences of actions under inaccurate models.
Do us all a favour and never again keep assumptions in your head: your misunderstanding was beyond scale. Do not guess.
Back to the discussion from the origin: a poster defends the idea that the purpose of AI would be in enabling leisure and possibly sport (through alleviating menial tasks) - not in producing cultural output. He was replied first that cultural output having value, it is welcome from all sources (provided the Value is real), and second that the needs are beyond menial tasks, given that we have a large deficit in proper thought and proper judgement.
The literal sentence was «yes, if algorithms strict or loose could one day produce Art, and Thought, and Judgement, of Superior quality: very welcome», which refers to the future, so it cannot be interpreted in the possibility being available now.
You have brought LLMs to the topic when LLMs are irrelevant (and you have stated that you «personify[] them»!). LLMs have nothing to do with this branch of discussion.
You see things that are said as «vague», and miss definitions for things: but we have instead very clear ideas. We just do not bring the textual explosion of all those ideas in our posts.
Now: you have a world in front of you; of that world you create a mental model; the mental model can have a formal representation; details of that model can be insightful to the truthful prosecution of the model itself: that is Art or Thought or Judgement according to different qualities of said detail; the truthful prosecution of the model has Value and is Important - it has, if only given the cost of the consequences of actions under inaccurate models.