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No, I can’t separate Tesla from its childish, hateful, misogynist CEO.

No, I can’t separate Tesla from its smug, cultish owners. If you buy a Tesla it has a negative social connotation, the same way BMW owners can’t complain when people make turn signal jokes about them.

But also, my feeling is it’s positioned poorly in the market.

The Hummer EV is a better more capable vehicle that “does it all” a lot better. It’s more luxurious and the build quality is better. It’s better in every spec.

The Rivian R1T beats it out in range and capability as well, and some of its trim levels are cheaper than Tesla.

The Ford F-150 Lightning is cheaper and has a ton of design elements that have been proven by people who do real work.

And next we’ll be seeing the Silverado EV and RAM EV.

The CyberTruck comes in one color, has stainless steel panels basically glued on top of the unibody, has a barebones interior lacking a number of luxuries, and the recalled hub caps aren’t even shipping to customers.

It’s also going to be impossible for Tesla to refresh without major tooling changes. It’ll be like the PT Cruiser or New Beetle where it is overdesigned and can’t be easily transitioned to a second generation.



Agreed, and to add to the list…

It is about most pedestrian hostile design possible with those sharp corners. How it’s allowed on the roads boggles my mind.

Also it is owner hostile. What other vehicle can you not resell?

Finally, the body panels are all wavy when viewed at a shallow angle. Even the cheapest of cars do not suffer from this.


That’s another great point. Unlike some other trucks, it won’t even be street legal in a lot of other countries, and it’s one pedestrian safety legislation away from needing major reworking.

Rivian is expanding into Europe including its commercial van, which is a product that Tesla should have made given that EVs are perfectly suited to delivery vehicles.

Tesla should be coming out with a three row family vehicle similar to the EV9 or ID Buzz but they wasted resources on a niche $100k truck that will inevitably (in the long term) be snuffed out by Ford, GM, and RAM pushing the kind of volume that they do with trucks.


Fortunately if legislators and regulators are appropriately financially or politically incentivized, such safety legislation may not be something shareholders need to be concerned about.


Tesla’s been selling electric three row family vehicles for almost a decade now lol.


The Model X isn’t price competitive with the EV9 and the doors are maintenance liabilities.

Its third row is too small. It’s a two row-size SUV where they stuffed in a tiny third row, it isn’t a serious alternative to a car like the Hyundai Palisade.

It seems to be their least popular model.


No other car looks like a dumpster on wheels, and thats why no one is going to break their neck starring at one, which is what sells.


i guess, I mean it is better looking than most trucks today. Not as good as classic cars do, but it is at least unique.


You can't get a silverado yet but the GMC Sierra (traditonally the same truck) comes in EV. https://www.gmc.com/electric/sierra-ev/denali-edition-1 Aint cheap but it does already exist.




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