Thanks for the comprehensive answer, that’s super interesting. Presumably these folks don’t need Java libraries (which for my own use cases I needed pretty much from the jump) and are doing either vanilla Clojure stuff or things that they know have c++ libraries. And if they care about startup it’s not the common “long running web server process” scenario (maybe lambda, native app, things along those lines). Anyway I asked mainly because it’s always cool to hear about parts of computing and Clojure ecosystem I am not familiar with, thanks for answering.