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You are making up an intellectual dishonesty which isn't there. I'm happy to call it a handout in any case - I said that I understand handouts for the reason of social mobility and also a general opposition to handouts. Fundamentally it doesn't matter what you call it. I am not guilty of some kind of diabolical framing here, that is nothing but a distraction.

$10,099/semester is a reasonable amount of money for a college education, at current market prices. You could have gotten cheaper but presumably you did not want to - your choice. At $102,000 it is completely affordable. When one has kids, and wishes them to college, one is normally and reasonably expected to save up for that purpose.

So your argument seems to reduce to 'my mother shouldn't pay this money.' That implies someone else should pay it. Why? What makes it so much not reasonable?

After your total costs are paid, your mother is still making $81,802/yr. She can't live on $81,802/yr? She should be getting money from people who don't even make $81,802/yr because you are going to college and you think that the cost of tuition is not 'reasonable'? You should be getting that money ahead of people who are poorer and not getting any aid?



You are making up an intellectual dishonesty which isn't there. I'm happy to call it a handout in any case - I said that I understand handouts for the reason of social mobility and also a general opposition to handouts. Fundamentally it doesn't matter what you call it. I am not guilty of some kind of diabolical framing here, that is nothing but a distraction.

Commentary on your word choice isn't a distraction, but your brazen attempt to dismiss it is rather amusing.

$10,099/semester is a reasonable amount of money for a college education, at current market prices.

That caveat there is the only way you can possibly say that. For current market prices, it's not bad. What I'm saying is that the market is charging too much for college education.

You could have gotten cheaper but presumably you did not want to - your choice.

And still go to a university? You're incorrect.

When one has kids, and wishes them to college, one is normally and reasonably expected to save up for that purpose.

Are we just going to completely ignore my comments there? I addressed this in my earlier statements. Federal funding does not consider past income, yet there is an expectation that college should be saved for then. That's dissonant.

So your argument seems to reduce to 'my mother shouldn't pay this money.'

And your argument seems to reduce to "your mother should pay this money". When you reduce things to their simplest terms, everything sounds stupid. It's a logical fallacy.

That implies someone else should pay it. Why? What makes it so much not reasonable?

It should be a distributed burden across the populace via tax, for the exact same reasons that all other education spending is done that way. Education should be a public service, as it's the cornerstone of a modern economy.

After your total costs are paid, your mother is still making $81,802/yr. She can't live on $81,802/yr?

This is a foolish argument. First, since it's a post tax expense, the more relevant number is net pay, which works out to be roughly $55,000/year. Which she can live on, but that's not the point.

Education is completely inelastic. It is a requirement for any kind of middle class job in this country. If it costs $10,000 a year, or $50,000 a year, I have to pay it, if I don't want to be a second class citizen in a post-industrial economy.

This is why it needs federal regulation (Or more ideally, provided for via a tax), for the same reasons that utilities and the rest of the education system are.

She should be getting money from people who don't even make $81,802/yr because you are going to college and you think that the cost of tuition is not 'reasonable'?

...That's not how it works. Do you receive money because everyone helped pay for the road you use to drive to work? Without it, you would have no job and no income. But you aren't arguing that you should pay for your own road.




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