"Please describe by which metric do you mean impossibly high. Billboard rankings?"
What were the Billboard expectations for Kpop in 2011? If your expectations were "about the same as in 2010" then they were drastically exceeded.
Were the expectations that they would "dominate the charts"? Then I will say your expectations were impossibly high.
"Your google insights link points to graphs regarding Hawaii. How exactly is this region relevant to this conversation (or to your point)? "
You can repeat the thing in New York, New Jersey, California, many major metro areas, etc. The point is not that they are more popular then Snoop Dogg or that Snoop Dogg if the biggest artist in the US. The point was that if you go back more then say 18 months you don't really get much of anything for any Kpop artists ever.
By those standards being as popular as someone who is a household name in the US should be viewed as a huge success, not absolute failure.
They're not stars at all. They've gained popularity among Asian Americans - no surprise there, K-pop is a pan-Asian phenomenon, and as recent immigrants, many Asian Americans have strong ties to their home countries' cultures.
But among those who are American through and through? Nothing.
> Pretty sure the answer to this question was in the part you didn't quote.
Pretty sure it wasn't. Snoop Dogg isn't some kind of control you can use for assessing the popularity over time of K-pop artists. If he's decreased in popularity, then it would appear as if they've increased, when in reality the increase was relative. In any case, past trends are not a solid indication of the future. K-pop's popularity in the US will probably plateau once the Asian American audience has been saturated.
The 'failure' we're talking about is contingent on some level of expectations. I didn't expect them to be stars. They are more notable then I would have expected given the history of Jpop and Cpop and Bollywood etc. in America. Obviously you're expectations of success were much higher so you can flatly declare them as failures.
"Snoop Dogg isn't some kind of control you can use for assessing the popularity over time of K-pop artists."
No one has suggested that is the case. Have mercy on the straw men, they've got kids to feed.
"K-pop's popularity in the US will probably plateau once the Asian American audience has been saturated."
I've seen conventional wisdom like this before. It's always supremely confident and sometimes it's right but just as often wrong. Anime was supposed to be a niche forever but DBZ is a part of every American kids upbringing now.
What were the Billboard expectations for Kpop in 2011? If your expectations were "about the same as in 2010" then they were drastically exceeded.
Were the expectations that they would "dominate the charts"? Then I will say your expectations were impossibly high.
"Your google insights link points to graphs regarding Hawaii. How exactly is this region relevant to this conversation (or to your point)? "
You can repeat the thing in New York, New Jersey, California, many major metro areas, etc. The point is not that they are more popular then Snoop Dogg or that Snoop Dogg if the biggest artist in the US. The point was that if you go back more then say 18 months you don't really get much of anything for any Kpop artists ever.
By those standards being as popular as someone who is a household name in the US should be viewed as a huge success, not absolute failure.