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If you know how to do things in decent way. There is no point of doing them poorly. Each large investment should reach previous level if not improve from it. Or have reasonable trade off when not doing that.

Should next time we build say water infra, instead of burying pipes underground we build massive aqueducts to deliver water to each house?


It's not about building the perfect thing, it's about not building the dumb thing that blocks discussion of building something that will actually work. What's currently built is not even workable, IMO, let alone anywhere near perfect.


Just because Musk is doing something new in this space does not mean it represents progress.

> I hate this "if you're not doing the perfect thing don't do anything at all" mindset of the degrowth group.

800 environmental violations would suggest it's a little bit worse than "imperfect"


Interestingly one of the reasons some areas _aren't_ building these out is because of the promises Musk made re: the Hyperloop system, they felt it would be better to wait and see.

Freezing actual good mass transit progress seems to have been his goal, unfortunately.


Musk uses his resources to lobby against mass transit in America.

He is degrowth in ways that suit his selfish preferences (contracts for his companies over better alternatives, and wanting to avoid any proximity to other Americans in public).

edit due to rate limiting: Yes Musk is one of the reasons we don't have high speed rail in California at least. He admitted to creating Hyperloop as a fake and hopeless project simply as a campaign to get high speed rail canceled. And he used DOGE against it to further cripple the project. He used government authority to contribute to regulations against mass transit. His projects are literally fake psyops that don't deliver transit and exist to spoil mass transit options from growing.

We had mass transit before he got rich. Are you opposed to it because it's not perfect so we shouldn't do it at all instead of doing more of it? I don't understand the degrowth attitude of preferring luxury options that scale worse.


Ok so Musk is the reason mass transit isn't a success?

So why didn't we get mass transit before Musk was rich?

In Austin we approved an enormous rail project and the taxpayers approved billions to build it. Years later, they have descoped it by 75% and they haven't even come close to delivering that small bit they reduced it down to.

Was that Musk too? Or is overregulation destroying our ability to innovate?


Yeah it's a weak argument. Public transportation is weak in the US because support for it is weak. It will take a dramatic shift in the Average American view of mass transit or some breathtaking price decrease in trains/tunneling/trams along with comfort of travel in said methods.


People are not anti innovation or anti tehcnology.

People are against bullshit.

We KNOW how to build these type of things. We KNOW what it would cost. We KNOW how to do it right.

Musk had enough money to build something which is worse of everything we already know and dangerous.

You are ignorant and Musk didn't prove shit.


Didn't Musk explicitly make up the hyperloop concept, just so that CAHSR doesn't get built?




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