Honestly I haven't read the whole thread but I think your mixing stuff like green and blue being called the same word in some languages or ancient greek completely missing word for blue.
What I was thinking is along the lines of showing a real life scene to ten random people - like a view of a city park outside of an office window - and then showing them a picture of said scene on a computer screen using only 256 colors (quantization) and asking them if it looks the same.
Or modeling a 3D photo realistic scene of a room in a video game and then switching off the light and asking the player if the scene still looks realistic after we changed the colors or did we stumbled into uncanny valley.
The simplest, hands on experiment, I can think of is putting yourself in shoes of an oil painter and thinking about creating a gradient between two colors, let's say blue and green (or any other pair, it doesn't really matter). Now try to imagine said gradient in your mind and then try to recreate it with graphical program like Photoshop. If you went down this route the gradient will seem odd. Unnatural.
All common standards we were commonly using for the last 30 years like RGB, HSL, HSV, etc. falls flat. They are not so much off to call them "uncanny" (as in "uncanny valley"), but they seem wrong if you look close enough.
To actually simulate mixing two blobs of an oil paint you need arcane algorithms like Kubelka-Mink (yet another ground breaking discovery in IT made by reading a 100 years old research).
All in all - take a look at this video, I know it's 40 minutes long, but this topic has been a peeve for me for almost 20 years and it's the best and most comprehensible take on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnUYoQ1pwes
That video is excellent, thanks for sharing. BTW it does back up the point @subb was making, that the experience of color is a perceptual thing; “light isn’t what makes something a color. As we’ve seen, colors are ultimately a psychological phenomenon.” Which is true.
FWIW I suspect the issue in this thread is that color models and color spaces are not necessarily modeling perception. The word color is overloaded and has multiple meanings. Just because color experience is perception, that doesn’t mean “color” is always referring to perception nor that phrases like “spectral color” or “color model” are referring to perceived experience, and they’re often not.
A color model is any numeric representation that captures the information needed to recreate a color, and it can be a physical or spectral color model, a stimulus model (cone response), or a perception model. Being able to recreate a color does not imply that the information is perceptual. Spectral “color” measurements are just pure physics, and spectral color models are just modeling pure physics.
By and large, the color matching experiments that lead to our CIE standards mostly measured average cone response for an average observer, and were never intended nor designed to capture effects like adaptation and surround. This is why many of the 3D color spaces we have that trace lineage to those experiments, especially the “perceptual” ones, are primarily modeling cone response and not perception. CIE color spaces do involve some kind of very averaged out perception of color, in a static unchanging, well adapted, no surround kind of way, which is for example why the “red” color matching function goes negative. [1]
There are people doing stuff like adaptation and spatial tone mapping in video games and research, and they’re using more tools than just 3D color spaces for that. That’s the kind of discussion I was hoping @subb would get into, i.e., what specific cases require going beyond the CIE models.
What I was thinking is along the lines of showing a real life scene to ten random people - like a view of a city park outside of an office window - and then showing them a picture of said scene on a computer screen using only 256 colors (quantization) and asking them if it looks the same.
Or modeling a 3D photo realistic scene of a room in a video game and then switching off the light and asking the player if the scene still looks realistic after we changed the colors or did we stumbled into uncanny valley.
The simplest, hands on experiment, I can think of is putting yourself in shoes of an oil painter and thinking about creating a gradient between two colors, let's say blue and green (or any other pair, it doesn't really matter). Now try to imagine said gradient in your mind and then try to recreate it with graphical program like Photoshop. If you went down this route the gradient will seem odd. Unnatural.
All common standards we were commonly using for the last 30 years like RGB, HSL, HSV, etc. falls flat. They are not so much off to call them "uncanny" (as in "uncanny valley"), but they seem wrong if you look close enough.
To actually simulate mixing two blobs of an oil paint you need arcane algorithms like Kubelka-Mink (yet another ground breaking discovery in IT made by reading a 100 years old research).
All in all - take a look at this video, I know it's 40 minutes long, but this topic has been a peeve for me for almost 20 years and it's the best and most comprehensible take on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnUYoQ1pwes