I've heard it from Laurene on several occasions, she alludes to it in this video...

		gyomu 31 days ago \| parent \| context \| favorite \| on: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as ... I've heard it from Laurene on several occasions, she alludes to it in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdvzYtgmIjs&t=2825s (in case the link goes down: Tim Cook, Sir Jony Ive KBE, and Laurene Powell Jobs, Code 2022 Interview with Kara Swisher)

Wonderful, thanks so much for taking time to link to this.