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I think this is great. I love this.

I immediately went to the menu to see how I could buy a subscription, and there isn’t a place, as far as I can tell through my search, to do so.

This goes for all new startups (non-profit or not!) if you want me to give you money, make it easy for me to give you money.

This is an online magazine, ostensibly, and as such I would expect to see a “subscribe” page, which would take payment information, and I would get emailed new issues as they come out.





Hi, project lead here :)

I fully agree with you. We are slooowly working towards having also the printed version available in a subscription model (note: PDFs will remain free and we will also continue to give out free - as in "sponsored by [some company or event]" - on conferences / demoscene parties / etc). We still have to do a couple of things first, like:

1. Make sure our prints are consistently of good quality. As we've learnt this year, printing is hard, especially if you have to support multiple different printing companies. We're well on our way with this.

2. Rebuild the older versions to have them print ready - this is required for e.g. ISSN registration which we are working on. As we don't do typical DTP, but rather use a waay more complex process of Python-scripts-processing-incoming-PDFs (perhaps this wasn't my brightest idea, but it has its upsides), this takes a while (mostly because older issues were built using previous build engine and PDFs are hard - our DTP programmer has a lot of horror stories).

3. Well, find a company (or multiple companies) that offers subscriptions and ships worldwide and test them.

So it will still take a bit of time, but we'll get there :)


Thank you for following up.

As I said, this magazine is wonderful. One caution I have, taking what you said that you only intend to charge for prints, is that I don’t think it’s a great idea to self-devalue the PDF version by not charging for it as well.

1. Visit the site and get it free. 2. Subscribe, get the PDF delivered to your inbox and discount on printed version.

That way, you give folks an easy on-ramp to paying you while still giving out the free version.


What you're saying makes sense and it's a good idea. It's not fully directly applicable to Paged Out! though due to certain assumptions we've made with our base operating model.

I.e. our intention is to charge readers neither for PDF nor for print, to the extent that is possible. In case of print-on-demand or print-subscription that of course won't be possible, but at various events we're successfully bringing printed Paged Out! issues to distribute for free. The idea is rather for the zine to finance itself through ad sales, sponsorship editions, and special collector bundled editions. We have a couple of other more-typical ideas as well, like Pateron later on.

Admittedly, so far we're in the red (not terribly though), but that's OK. There are still certain things we need to roll out before being able to evaluate whether we need to change the base operating model. If we do have to change it, it's not unlikely to start with ideas like the one you proposed - they do make sense.


If you want to support them now you can order prints. They have a sponsorship edition that costs extra if you want to extra support them.

https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/pagedout


There's an RSS feed that is exposed in the standard manner (link tag in head), precisely what you're looking for. They do not offer a paid subscription, just the option to 'buy' individual issues, which is also linked under every issue.

That sort of friction is just enough to keep folks from giving money.

And that’s not me saying this, there’s an entire cottage industry devoted to pricing and buying decisions, and how friction reduces revenue.

If I take your suggestion to its logical conclusion, I would need to:

1. Get an RSS reader (I don’t have one, haven’t used one since google reader shut down) 2. Subscribe to their RSS feed. 3. Remember to check my RSS reader. 4. Each 3-4 months (just long enough for it not to be a habit forming exercise), click on the link. 5. Put in my credit card information each time. 6. buy the issue.

Or, I could use their “preferred” method:

1. Subscribe to their email list. 2. Click the link every 3-4 months when an issue drops. 3. Put in my credit card information every 3-4 months? 4. Buy the issue.

Each of these has far more friction in them than necessary, and hurts their overall goal, which is to make their magazine self-sustaining.


I think the magazine is not designed to be a product that is bought, but rather something that is given away for free. A lot of the verbiage on the website discusses various ways to get and reproduce the magazine for free. Most of the content is submitted with a creative content license.

> I would expect to see a “subscribe” page, which would take payment information, and I would get emailed new issues as they come out.

You are not expected to pay to get emailed as new issues come out. Just join this group (link found on FAQ page) and you will get notifications: https://groups.google.com/g/pagedout-notifications


> I think the magazine is not designed to be a product that is bought, but rather something that is given away for free.

Indeed - when you're in the right circles a free print copy of PagedOut will find its way to you.


>This goes for all new startups (non-profit or not!) if you want me to give you money, make it easy for me to give you money.

Man, as far as I know this is not some wanna be unicorn startup, this is curiosity-driven, for-hackers content managed by people who were top at competitive security for many years


if you're asking "how do i easily buy prints", that's under the prints link atop, and you'll ultimately end up at lulu

https://pagedout.institute/?page=prints.php

https://www.lulu.com/search?contributor=Paged+Out%21+Institu...

I discovered it easily on desktop, idk about mobile




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