I have a feeling there will be some people here that will take this very seriously and will spend a lot of time criticizing this project in angry comment threads that go on for miles.
Could you please not post this sort of snarky-generic-meta comment? They attract upvotes and then stick at the top of the thread, choking out actually interesting discussion. (That's where this one was, but I'm going to mark it off topic and downweight it now.)
I completely understand your frustration about how common shallow-indignant comments are. But it doesn't help to post shallow-indignant or snarky comments of your own about it - it just produces even more of the same, or worse.
The way to combat shallow-indignant, predictable, tedious, etc., threads is to find something that you're genuinely curious and open about, and post from that place instead.
Honestly, I thought it was serious because I’ve seen people do things exactly like this, just in different languages.
By “this” I mean “spend all their time fighting against the language/framework because they don’t like it, rather than just picking a different language.”
Those are excellent reasons but then you shouldn’t fight the language, you should go with the language/framework conventions as much as possible. Trying to fight the language design will only lead to buggy, hard to understand code, so either suck it up or get a different job.
EDIT: That last sentence is a bit harsher than I intended. I’m trying to convey the importance of professionalism in our work and remembering the experience of working with people who couldn’t do this brought back some bad memories!
Don't worry, they probably wouldn't want to work with you either.
Some programmers think and care a lot about software correctness in a kind of mathematical way. Others just want to ship features and enjoy their lives. Both approaches are fine. They just don't necessarily mix super well.
Some people like to tell you that diverse teams work better. Years ago I worked with someone who had a PhD in psychometrics. She said that's kind of a lie. If you actually look at the research it shows something more interesting. She said the research shows that having a diverse set of backgrounds makes a team perform better. But having a diverse set of values makes a team perform worse. It makes sense. If one person on the team wants to vibe code and someone else wants to make every line of code perfect, you're all in for a bad time.
There is a third kind. Those who want to have a lot of fun by using their imagination to come up with interesting ways build something, but in rust, the borrow checker often won't have any of it.
In rust you have to learn and internalize lot of the non-intutive borrow checker reasoning to remain sane. If you remember to spend a fraction of that effort to remember the "unsafe" things you could end up doing in C, then I think most people would be fine.
But rust enforces it, which is good for a small fraction of all software that is being written. But "Rust for everything!?"..Give me a fucking break!
> But "Rust for everything!?"..Give me a fucking break!
Nobody is arguing for that though? [1]
I love rust and use it all the time, but personally I think its the wrong choice for application development and web development. And together they make up almost all software jobs. Garbage collectors (like in C#, Java, JS, Go, etc) are fast enough, and they're way easier to work with.
I find system software really interesting. And I think rust is a great systems language! I'd use it in a heartbeat for databases, operating systems and web browsers. Places where correctness, security and performance matter more than creativity and feature velocity. But most people don't work on software like that. I think most programmers shouldn't bother with rust.
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[1] At least, nobody sensible. I went to NodeCamp about a decade ago when everyone was jazzed on javascript and node. Someone told me - with stars in their eyes - about how amazing everything would be if the whole operating system was written in javascript. I told him that was stupid idea, but he wasn't having any of it. Rust has some of the same people now. Just give it a few years and they'll move on to something else.
This persona is the heart and soul of the "weirdly emotional about languages" archetype along with ruby fanatics. Look, y'all have notable and significant value, but only in very specific and unusual circumstances
