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I got through an entire day yesterday in massively oversized gym shorts, by simply forming a standard loop, and wrapping it _twice_. That extra friction (the second wrap) has worked for years on shoes, boots, and, very large shorts

I will not be learning a fancy knot because I have no need



Totally absolutely agree with this. The second wrap or second turn totally solved my problem of slipping knots in shorts and shoes. Game over. Chapter closed for me.


The difference is the Ian Loop is adjustable.


What needs adjusting? My waist size is not dynamic.


they're right, we're wrong. look, if you got XXXL shorts on a medium waist and tie an _excellent_ standard knot, and you are very active for a while? those shorts are gonna loosen up for sure

this knot rules, i'm glad i went back and tried it :)


You will....knot ?




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