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I always thought that this was interesting...

I am sure that many of you are familiar with Dr. Feynman's 7-part lecture series entitled The Character of Physical Law, which were part of the "Messenger Lectures" [1], given at Cornell University in 1964.

In the first lecture, Law of Gravitation - An Example of Physical Law, Feynman states the following:

"Question: what is the ratio of the gravitational force to the electrical force? That is illustrated on the next slide.

The ratio of the gravitational attraction to the electrical repulsion is given by a number with 42 digits, and goes off here: all this is written very carefully out, so that's 42 digits.

Now, therein lies a very deep mystery: where could such a tremendous number come from? That means if you ever had a theory from which both of these things are to come, how could they come in such disproportion? From what equation has a solution which has for one, two kinds of forces, an attraction and a repulsion with that fantastic ratio? People have looked for such a large ratio in other places.

They're looking for a large number.

They hope, for example, that there's another large number.

And if you want a large number why not take the diameter of the universe to the diameter of a proton.

Amazingly enough, it also is a number with 42 digits." [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_Lectures

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3mhkYbznBk#t=48m11s



42 digits in base 10 though, and base 10 is just an arbitrary convention. It can be more or less in other equally valid bases.


Yes, but within that base it's significant. Just as within other bases the corresponding number would be significant.

This is important because if you operate a system universally with the same base, the significant number begins to take on an objective importance intra-system.

Stated another way, it's mathematical semantics, the same as arguing an idea is not significant because you can express it in a multitude of different languages, each having an arbitrary words.

Developing via Django (Python) or Rails (Ruby) is similarly predisposed to making one think it's all relative, but when you look closely, the framework doesn't matter at all - there are universal abstractions inherent in web development.

The representation is arbitrary and insignificant, what is significant is what the number or word represents, and what you can do by unraveling it.


I didn't really consider it like that, interesting


"Just as within other bases the corresponding number would be significant."

Numbers are independent from any base. You may mean the numeral in another base, which would have a different number of digits.

But what is more important, note that not necessarily the two ratios from the quote will have the same number of digits in another base.


Yes, the numeral representation of the number is exactly what I mean, you clarified my comment perfectly. Numbers are independent from any base.


Yes, but the other number will have a similar number of digits in whatever base you choose. More precisely, the number of digits will be multiplied by ln(10)/ln(base) for both numbers.


I see what you mean, sounds right


Irrelevant. Two numbers with the same number of digits when expressed in base 10 will necessarily be within a factor of 10 of each other. This is just a different way of saying these numbers are close.


All bases are base 10 within that base. So actually, base 10 is about as non-arbitrary as it gets. </nyuknyuk>



Isn't the universe still growing? Which means that at some point in the very far off future, the ratio of of the diameter of the universe to the diameter of a proton will be 43 digits? Passing thought -- since 42 _is_ the the answer to the Great Question of Life, etc., perhaps only a universe with this ratio of certain length can support life, e.g. when the universe becomes too large, there will be too much entropy in the universe for life?


let's wait and see if proton grows too to keep the equation!


Of course it grows. Accelerated growth even. How else would you explain that when walking out a window the earth grows to meet you?




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