"Security researcher" who needs to learn a lot about ethics and just proper procedure. It's already been said, but it's pretty lame to grab all those accounts, then make a video of some of the data and display it to the world. Poor form, Sir. Poor form.
Further, I'm not one to put folks into stereotypes based upon where they're from, but I do note the exceptional security violation earlier this year related to the Google Certificate being compromised by a Turkish ISP. Not that the two are related, but that's my most recent thought with respect to Turkish Security research.
> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
Given that ethics are strongly related to one’s culture, I find this unlikely as a general statement. What can be ethical for me may not be ethical for you. Think about guns, abortion, etc, even clothing.
> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
To nitpick offtopic: Is there any proof of this? That "personality charasteristics" are completely independent of any other such charasteristics? I would believe that there's some correlation between various personality charasteristics, as a hypotethical example consider "ethical" people to be more likely to be helpful/nice and "unethical" be less helpful/nice.
Not that this has anything to do with... anything but... :( Sorry!
> The probability that a certain person be "unethical" is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
So it's innate and completely random? Social environment growing up doesn't matter? Wealth, social class, education, intelligence, none of that matters at all?
Look I don't want to open a can of worms but my original comment is dead or I'd edit it.
I did not mean that because one Turkish company did something untoward it automatically colors all Turkish people. I only meant that the most recent piece of news about Turkey with respect to computer security was the certificate incident. If that's worthy of pitchforks so be it, but I hardly think it's racist.
To be clear, I am not saying all Turkish security researchers are evil criminals bent on world domination. I am saying that the most recent piece of news I can I recall about security in Turkey was the issue with the google cert.
I am Turkish, and I am more of a nationalist than my friends. But I fail to see how josh2600's comment is racist. Are those not facts? Was it implying something that I missed?
I made this comment below as well, but just try replacing Turkish with gay and see how your comment sounds then.
Somewhat related; when I was gay I one of the easiest giveaways of a closet homophobe was if the first sentence out of their mouth was: "I don't have a problem with gays," usually followed up by "my friend/cousin/uncle is gay."
Like you probably, they were usually pretty sweet homophobes because they were already self-censoring, but they were almost always homophobes nonetheless.
Again, I'm not trying to open a can of worms, but I don't think noting a recent news piece makes me tantamount to a homophobic person.
Is it not accurate that the last piece of security news from Turkey was about the SSL issue? Your implication tha I'm self-censoring is unwelcome and inaccurate.
My word choice in my original comment might've been poor, but you're going a bit too far in your analogy.
Again, I'm not saying all Turkish people are corrupt security researchers. I am simply saying that, perhaps I am ignorant, but the biggest security news I've seen out of Turkey was the SSL heist and now this. It does not imply, again, that all Turkish people are bad, it is only an evaluation of a piece of information with an attempt to provide a bit of context.
In getting back to the original point, it seems quite odd that the researcher had to attack Apple after his disclosure and it seems even odder to release customer information in a YouTube video. Does that sound like a senior security researcher to you?
You're inferring a casual relationship from two unrelated data points across a particular year.
So if I find two security violations (there's one like every other week) originating from the US across a random year, does that mean Americans are unethical?
I haven't enough information about the ethics of this situation so I won't comment on that. However, you exactly sound like person who "puts folks into stereotypes" in your last two sentences. Come on, even Apple's servers get compromised as what all this fuss is about, are you trying to be ironic when you judge a whole industry in a country by a security breach in one of its ISPs? If he's not a security researcher but rather a "security researcher", following your steps, what kind of position does this put Apple and the American IT Industry?
While I agree that a hacker being from country $FOO should bear no negative association with everyone else from the country, this doesn't appear to be racism, which is a label that already get applied too often.
You can make disparaging remarks about a nation without it having any racist intent. The people on HN and elsewhere who disparage the USA, for instance, could hardly be singling out a single race.
If you choose to correlate two generally unrelated negative events based on race and imply they are a symptom of an underlying failing of character of the culture, that is very much racism.
Just try replacing Turkish with gay, which is about equally as arbitrary of a relationship to pick, and see how the parent's statement sounds to you.
Ah OK. If we're talking definitions then indeed; as far as I'm concerned discriminating based on cultural norms of a specific country is still racism.
I can imagine that in the US racism more commonly concerns the traditional notion of race but in Europe, where race and nationality are usually synonymous for all intents and purposes, a workable definition needs to be a bit broader.
I double checked it on Wikipedia just to get a second opinion and this is what they have to say about it:
> Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes
Turkish security researcher Ibrahim Balic hacked my facebook the other night and posted some drunk ramblings. That guy is a real pistol when he drinks.
I've wondered about this as well. Its possible his behavior showed them the pattern and then when they went through their logs they saw more of it from before he started. Or they could just be in a delayed reaction mode.
Ok, technically you are correct. Good job. What I meant is he wasn't hacking benevolently to discover vulnerabilities to promote world peace and economic development for poor orphans and endangered species.
But what exactly is different between this guy and some benevolent hacker? According to the linked article, the storyline sounds pretty much like the old "someone hacks a big corporation and tries to inform then, but gets ignored or accused of crime".
There is no way for us to know the intent. Shouldn't we just look at the actions? Was the stolen data misused somehow in this case? The article does not say so.
