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22 points by raganwald on May 21, 2009 | hide | past | favorite | 8 comments


Yeah, well, it doesn't do much good in 2009 if you are on Windows (or if you have to use Windows at work). I used ThinkTank and More all the time in the 1980s (yes, I used a Mac back then - and I still do now at home at times). Now, I'd love to use an outliner like OmniOutliner (true outliner with multiple columns), but there isn't anything I can find (by the way, I want it as a desktop app, not on the web, sorry). It's a shame because my brain thinks in hierarchies a lot. It seems so strange that there are many good outliners for Mac, but none for Windows. Why is that?


Dave Winer's later creation, Frontier, has been open sourced: http://frontierkernel.org/ It works, but I wouldn't try to edit code with it. Other than its built-in language, which is actually sort of fun, but a dead-end technology now. (Still, being a language built for an outliner has interesting consequences.)

I've been working on a Frontier-descended outliner for a long time (really just the outliner, not the whole stack that Frontier represents), but up until recently, open-source toolkits couldn't do a slick outliner as the text widgets were too weak. Now I lack time to finish it, but I'm still cranking away in my spare time. (To crap something out is easy; to make a useful outliner is a harder problem that it appears.)


MS Word has an outlining mode, and since it dominates the Windows ecosystem, there's very little economic incentive to build a world-class dedicated outliner.

I still love MORE as well :-)


I've used ActionOutline and it seems to be pretty good though I'm certainly no expert. It's a desktop app for Windows.


Is there an option to hide the panel on the right? I prefer the classic single-pane style.

(Warning to devs: outliner users are finicky, finicky bastards.)



Dave Winer's recollections of inventing an entire new category of software while embroiled in Silicon Valley's early startup culture.


I use TreePadLite[1] on Windows (and JreePad[2] everywhere else) whenever I need to make a simple hierarchical document to serve as input to a template engine or code generator. It's not open source but the interface is intuitive and the document format is trivial to parse and transform.

1 - http://www.treepad.com/treepadfreeware/

2 - http://jreepad.sourceforge.net/




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