>Your friend avoids getting help because he's an addict, not because he's offended by the 12 step program.
Completely and totally incorrect. He has tried AA, and was completely disgusted with it. He just thinks if he tries to get professional help again, it will be like AA and he doesn't want that. Quitting on his own hasn't worked out yet, he's tried.
>You would suggest doing nothing in the absence of a perfect solution?
OF COURSE NOT! I never suggested it, I didn't even imply it. I said "Preaching AA as a first step or a cure all is harmful to these people." I didn't say it didn't help some people, of course it does. I am saying if you have an addiction people jump to "AA" like it is a cure all or the only route. They don't evaluate the patient to see what is right for them. Even doctors don't do this to a great degree. There are other non-region based programs out there, they need to be considered on equal footing as AA, introducing the wrong person to AA can turn them off of getting help at all. Right now it is "I have an addition" then the answer is "Oh well just go to AA."
>That is awfully convenient if you're a fan of getting high...
What are you talking about? I don't get high.
> Try going to an AA meeting and saying you're an atheist--you'll find plenty others present.
So some can get past some parts of AA, some also cannot. Big deal.
LOL such denial.
Your friend just likes to get wasted and doesn't want to really stop. He would just like the consequences to stop while still being able to get wasted at his own accord.
Completely and totally incorrect. He has tried AA, and was completely disgusted with it. He just thinks if he tries to get professional help again, it will be like AA and he doesn't want that. Quitting on his own hasn't worked out yet, he's tried.
>You would suggest doing nothing in the absence of a perfect solution?
OF COURSE NOT! I never suggested it, I didn't even imply it. I said "Preaching AA as a first step or a cure all is harmful to these people." I didn't say it didn't help some people, of course it does. I am saying if you have an addiction people jump to "AA" like it is a cure all or the only route. They don't evaluate the patient to see what is right for them. Even doctors don't do this to a great degree. There are other non-region based programs out there, they need to be considered on equal footing as AA, introducing the wrong person to AA can turn them off of getting help at all. Right now it is "I have an addition" then the answer is "Oh well just go to AA."
>That is awfully convenient if you're a fan of getting high...
What are you talking about? I don't get high.
> Try going to an AA meeting and saying you're an atheist--you'll find plenty others present.
So some can get past some parts of AA, some also cannot. Big deal.