This is part of China's multi-pronged strategy for taking over Taiwan.
One prong is coopting Taiwanese elites, in parts by allowing them to become very wealthy through China, but only if working in the background for unification. There is no way Foxconn would have been allowed to operate large factories in China, if its founder and chairman (Terry Gou) was pro independence.
This is empire building 101. Romans offered barbarian leaders a luxurious lifestyle with floor heating and access to a wide variety of regional specialties from around the empire in exchange for loyalty to the city. Quite many took that offer, those who didn't were convinced with help of the military.
> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.
When the US wants regime change, it usually gets it.
Ah yes, that must be why Iran is a Democratic paradise free from the IRGC and ayatollahs. Venezuela, Cuba, Ecuador, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, Libya, China, Russia, Myanmar, are all so relentlessly pro-US for the same reason I’d assume. And of course it’s not as though Russia has a history of interfering in their sphere, or sent their military to annex a part of Ukraine.
Generally speaking, I find it effective, when I disagree with someone's sources describing an event, to explicitly provide my own. This ensures that the person I'm speaking with knows what sources I find credible, and knows the version of events that I'm willing to defend as accurate.
Also, if you feel that the Wikipedia page is misrepresenting the situation, I encourage you to engage on the talk page, and update the event section to provide an alternative view point. Yes, you'll get some pushback, but you can then cite the same published sources that you find to be more reliable, making it easier for people to follow the different threads.
The events in the Ukraine during 2014 are important, and I would like to have Wikipedia be accurate on it.
I don't think Wikipedia is a good source for anything that goes against an established narrative, no matter the subject. I don't have any interest in making sure Wikipedia is up to date when there are state actors publishing their view of events on Wikipedia.
Out of curiosity, considering your teeming confidence on this, have you spoken to many Ukrainians? I lived in a country (practically) bordering them, and their sentiment regarding Russia mirrorred ours. Bit too much, we have both gotten in conflict with them, over the last decade or so...
You'd need to specify an age group since it shouldn't be too hard to find supoort for Russia from the older generation that grew up under Soviet Union and is now feeling nostalgic for their past.
No, KMT is not pro-unification. When KMT's ex-chairman Hung Hsiu-chu openly supported the unification during her presidential campaign in 2015, 91% of KMT delegates at the party congress voted for replacing her as the KMT presidential candidate.
KMT's plan is always to keep the status quo and use "unification" as a bargaining chip to get more $ from the CCP.
KMT's regular party goers and the leadership are not quite the same, as Hong Xiuzhu found out. KMT has a sizeable, but mute hardliner wing who have no joke ambitions of taking on CPC again
That's a historical constant, nothing funny about it.
I remember Ma Yingjiu (the previous KMT ROC President) asked about 'independence' in 2011. He replied that the Republic of China had been independent since it was founded in 1911. Very good reply that summarises the situation to those who do not know Chinese history.
Actually no, KMT was at war with CPC. By unification, KMT meant (notice the past tense here) taking out CPC and rule mainland themselves.
This position has changed 180 degrees in recent decades. The unification now KMT is promoting is essentially just give up and let CPC take over.
Notice KMT is a foreign political party that originates from mainland China.
Taiwanese people never had a say in that (Taiwanese social elites were slaughtered by KMT) before DPP became a real political party that's born and raised in Taiwan.
Ma Yingjiu's statement was to maintain KMT's legitimacy as a party in Taiwan, that is, through a country named ROC.
However, for Taiwanese. Our country is called Taiwan. And that's how we recognise ourselves long before 1911.
This is brilliantly targeted then since the Chinese officially abandoned Mazu during the Cultural Revolution. Not that Guo could run for China President, anyways.
So do educate us with facts. Because, you know, many of us don't think your position is correct, given what we think we know of history and politics. You may in fact know more, but merely stating the claim does nothing. It neither educates nor persuades - it merely argues.
The vast, vast majority of them are ethnic Chinese.
The thing to realise is that this is really a divide and conquer game by the West.
The West has always recognised that Taiwan is a part of China. Not least of course when the recognised government of China was the ROC government.
Now the West recognises the PRC as the government of China, but this means that trying to stroke an 'independentist' sentiment in Taiwan becomes a tactic to weaken them.
America, for one, recognizes Taiwan as an independent country ("province") and has enough weight that they can do that. Other countries, especially those in Europe, are not big enough to be able to do so and still maintain a trade relationship with China, and default to the choice that makes economical sense.
Taiwan is not in China. The democratic government in Taiwan does not consider itself to be under the sway of the more powerful, richer country that they lost a civil war to.
dude, NO IT'S NOT.
and also please don't bring this sensitive political topic to a technical-based forum.
It's like arguing Israel and Palestine, or who should own Kashmir
> Well, Taiwan is in China. What it is not is in the PRC. Do you mean the PRC's strategy to finish the job? Or do you not know about China?
> The reality is that the KMT will never agree to surrender to the Communist Party.
I do not think you know what you are saying.
Taiwan is nearby mainland China. It has, at times, been claimed and occupied by the current governments of China and Japan . China claims it because it's strategically important (it's also an ego thing), and the people of Taiwan, who are more Japanese than Chinese (thanks, ethnic cleansing!) are not keen to join the PRC (the communistic current governing party in China). The people of Taiwan have recognized and declared allegiance to the ROC (the Republic of China, an attempt at democratic government) which was more or less ended when the Communist Party lost, threw a temper tantrum, and raised an insurrection. The ROC was on its way to becoming a proper Democratic country when it failed to civil war (because the Communists didn't want to recognize that they'd lost). Taiwan has essentially declared allegiance to the "rest of China" on the condition that the Republic of China, a democracy, is the governing power.
During the Communist takeover, political refugees went to Taiwan, and brought their democratic ideals along with them, which have grown and flourished- today, Taiwan is a Parliamentary democracy with fist-fights in Parliament. They're government is healthy, and they want to stay that way.
The issue here is that the Foxxcon corp. has probably been subsidized by China at some point, directly leading to profit for the CEO, who will then want to edge closer to Taiwan. This is very dangerous, and I worry that if he gets elected, he may pull Taiwan, as we know it, to the edge of extinction.
This is an alt account for hopefully obvious reasons.
I also found this statement bizzare, but after some thinking it kind of makes sense, in a way. It depends on how you define “China”. Taiwan keeps a lot of things from the olden days, but that China is very, very different from the one today (thanks to the Cultrual Revolution). Japan also gets to keep much of the same China heritage, making Taiwan more similar to Japan culturally than to China today. CCP makes everything wierd.
The only way that Taiwan will be in China in the near future will be if there is a conquering war from China invading Taiwan, or a long period of attrition where China wears down the west and succeeds in putting sycophantic leaders in charge of Taiwan who weaken her military. My background is I'm an american who went to college and learned about history.
> The only way that Taiwan will be in China in the near future will be if there is a conquering war from China invading Taiwan, or a long period of attrition where China wears down the west and succeeds in putting sycophantic leaders in charge of Taiwan who weaken her military. [emphasis added]
Sycophantic leaders are really bad, sympathetic leaders are one of the first steps to getting there. That's part of why I'm concerned about this Foxconn (I think I mispelled it earlier) guy- he seems like an early stage in this.
I think we're both on the same page, it's the Not A Paid Shill guy that I'm worried about.
One prong is coopting Taiwanese elites, in parts by allowing them to become very wealthy through China, but only if working in the background for unification. There is no way Foxconn would have been allowed to operate large factories in China, if its founder and chairman (Terry Gou) was pro independence.